A few issues...

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11 Nov, 2008 12:23 AM

I noticed your post about working on things opening up in the app rather than the browser so I get that.

I noticed that the "Who's Here?" & "Latest Documents" list on the right was "closed" by default. I happened to just stumble across the grip up in the top right corner to open it up. To me, it's great that you have the option to open or close that, but it should either be explained or open by default, if that makes sense.

I read something about being able to post a Twitter link or a picture from the internet and seeing the actual Twitter post in Propane or the picture with the URL reference posted w/ it. I'm not seeing that happen. Is that a future Feature?

Propane doesn't seem to support "@trevor" for directing messages at certain users. Is this something also planned for the release? @trevor has become one of the more important features for us.

Also, I don't know if it's possible but it would be awesome if I could upload pictures w/ my "Bug Report". I have a few screenshots that would just help describe what I'm talking about, but that's not a bid deal.

I really like being able to drag links from the browser or files from desktop into the app. That has worked like a charm for me. I've been using Campfire as a SSB w/ Fluid for a while and you just can't customize features since it's a website.

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by trevor on 11 Nov, 2008 12:37 AM

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    1 - to "automatically twicturize" you just drag the twitter status link onto the chat area (not the "speak" field at the bottom - I've left that to be literally "what you type" as a fallback). Alternatively, if you use twitteriffic, just drag the tweet from twitteriffic and drop it onto the main chat area.

    One thing to watch out for is that if the person you are tweeting has protected updates then twictur.es can't generate a graphic for it...

    2 - rather than @trevor I favor "tab completion". Type the first few letters and hit tab. For example, r[tab]. If there's more than one person starting with 'r' just keep hitting tab until the right name appears (or be more specific before you hit tab).

    To 'commit' the tab completion, hit spacebar or any punctuation mark. So t[tab][spacebar] at the beginning of a line turns into "trevor: ".

    A more complex example would be "c[tab][spacebar]that is something j[tab][comma] ma[tab][spacebar]and I were working on" becomes "court3nay: that is something jeremy, mattly and I were working on".

    Using tab, space and punctuation means it all flows really well for me...

    3 - as for uploading screenies into voxpop, for some reason I thought that was possible, I'll talk to rick about it.

    Thanks for the feedback, Trev

  2. Support Staff 2 Posted by trevor on 11 Nov, 2008 12:42 AM

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    oh, and point taken about the sidebar - it would make for a better initial user experience if that was either visible or at least pointed-out when you first use propane.

  3. 3 Posted by gerzen.trevor on 11 Nov, 2008 10:54 PM

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    Something I noticed is I don't see a way to change the size of your text. I want to be able to bump up the text size sometimes. I don't know what you guys are thinking for text editing but something as simple as Bold, Italic, Underline and Font Size would be awesome. I hate font color cause people will throw the ugliest looking crap in there just to be obnoxious :) I also know that RTEing can be a pain in the ass to build out so it's gotta be worth it to. I also don't know what is possible through Campfire.

    Are you planning on having any preferences for Propane? I noticed that there aren't any right now.

    I was also thinking that the drag-and-drop is awesome but it might be helpful for people who aren't as savvy to still have the option to upload a file by way of a form still. I can find a file pretty easily, whether it's through Quicksilver, Spotlight or old-fashioned Search but some people just don't think about all of that. You're target audience is probably very savvy people but I was just thinking about those ones in companies that you hear about in Accounting, or Marketing or whatever who just aren't super techy but are communicating with the other people in the company w/ Campfire.

    These are just my two cents as a tester. Sorry about the novel and I'm totally cool if you guys don't agree with what I'm saying. Take it or leave it I still think you guys have an awesome product.

    Can I ask what you guys are thinking about the Business Model for this? Are you planning on selling it or offering it for free? Again, I totally understand if you don't want to talk about that yet, either.

  4. 4 Posted by gerzen.trevor on 11 Nov, 2008 10:55 PM

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    Sorry about posting this here. I will try and keep it in the Feature Request area from now unless it's a real bug

  5. Support Staff 5 Posted by trevor on 11 Nov, 2008 11:32 PM

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    When you talk about fonts and sizes while editing, I'm assuming you mean for individual messages rather than changing the campfire stylesheet. Unfortunately (actually, it's probably fortunately...) campfire doesn't allow you to mess around with the text with things like bold/underline.

    As for preferences - I was kind of hoping to completely eliminate preferences but the fact is, I probably can't avoid them. I doubt anyone will accept 'no' as an answer to "can I change the notification sound?"

    As for non-drag-and-drop file upload - it's done, just not wired up to a menu item or button yet.

    Finally, the business model. You mention "you guys" so I should make it really clear, Propane isn't an ENTP production, it's a Trevor Squires production :-)

    My plan is to charge for the app - I haven't completely settled on a price yet but it will almost certainly be less than $20 per seat.


  6. 6 Posted by gerzen.trevor on 12 Nov, 2008 12:57 AM

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    At first I was referring to being able to simply resize all text, like using cmd + or cmd - to resize text, but then I went into RTE which I agree with you on. It's probably better this way.

    BTW, I like the notification sound you are using now for direct messages much more than the default Campfire sound. It's a lot less assaulting to the ears :)

    I can respect that it's a solo deal.

  7. Support Staff 7 Posted by trevor on 12 Nov, 2008 01:04 AM

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    Ah yes, than for resizing all text that will go in there (cmd + and -).

    In the mean time, you can go crazy and edit:

    ~/Library/Application Support/Propane/styles/cf_chat.css

    On line 39 I reduce the font size to .9em because I like smaller text :-)

    You'll need to close and re-open your chat to see the changes take effect and that file will persist across Propane upgrades so your changes don't get lost.

    If you completely bork it, just delete cf_chat.css and close-then-open a chat - the file is recreated from the application default if it doesn't exist.


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