Duplication of Document items

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Trevor Gerzen

18 Dec, 2008 09:14 PM


So I wasn't paying much attention to Propane, came back and noticed this ridiculously long list of Latest Documents and then noticed that it was all the same documents. Not sure what happened. Have you guys ever seen this?

  1. Support Staff 1 Posted by trevor on 19 Dec, 2008 12:41 AM

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    Trevor - that's not good :-(

    I'll let you know once I track down the cause.

  2. 2 Posted by System on 19 Dec, 2008 12:41 AM

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    This discussion was assigned to Trevor Squires, on ticket 39.

  3. 3 Posted by gerzen.trevor on 19 Dec, 2008 05:58 PM

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    How much memory does Propane take up for you? I noticed today that Propane is sitting right around 50mb on my system. Compared to the negligible amount of memory it takes up in the browser that is quite a bit. What do you think?

  4. Support Staff 4 Posted by trevor on 19 Dec, 2008 07:31 PM

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    this is a bit of a complex issue with a lot of factors influencing it.

    I'll just deal with open chats to start with:

    I just started Propane with 1 open room and it's sitting at about 22MB, with 11MB as 'private' (which is the critical figure apparently - you can see that with 'top' rather than Activity Monitor). If I start it with 3 rooms it uses 29MB, 15MB private.

    If I quit safari and use Propane's Room Menu to "Open Room in Web Browser" then Safari takes up 42MB with 25MB private. If I open another 2 rooms then Safari takes up 57MB with 37MB private.

    Pyro manages to take up 74MB with 53MB private before I even log in with one room, and 3 open chats takes up 160MB with 122MB private.

    Bear in mind that these figures are just from launch time. When a chat has activity, the memory will begin to creep up especially if a lot of images are pasted in.

    When the guys at ENTP go on a lolcat frenzy the memory usage does go up - and it seems to do so disproportionately. I've seen Propane's memory jump by 2MB in response to a 250K image being pasted - clearly webkit must work hard to render images :-)

    Whenever I run side-by-side comparisons of just open chats, running in safari (or Fluid or Pyro) Propane always starts out consuming a lot less memory and its memory footprint grows much more slowly. I can regularly get Safari and Fluid to top 300MB compared to < 60MB in Propane (all running the same sessions).

    I'm not bashing on Safari or Fluid here, it's understandable because they are general purpose browsers while I've optimized for just one site.

    So... long-story-short, I'm not concerned about your report of 50MB for just open chats - it's an amount that indicates Propane has been running a long time (days) and/or a very busy room with lots of images. The memory footprint is unlikely to climb (I've even seen it drop after - I guess - webkit decides that it doesn't need to hang on to images it loaded but no longer needs).

    HOWEVER :-)

    I haven't (yet) been able to apply the same optimizations to things like search and transcripts.

    The rooms at ENTP are crazy-busy so they're a fantastic stress-test, here's an example:

    Open a search and the memory jumps from 22/11MB to 27/15MB (dropping to 25/13MB when you close the search window). Re-opening search brings it back up to 27/15MB.

    View a really long transcript and the memory jumps to 50/29MB (dropping to 41/23MB when you close the transcript). Your own results will differ depending on how many images are in the transcript.

    Incidentally, viewing the same transcript in Safari results in 65/40MB from a clean start so even though I'm not proud of my footprint I can at least say I'm doing better than Safari :-P

    The good news is I have a cunning plan to address the search and transcripts issue which will also have a pleasant side effect of making Propane snappier when initially connecting to rooms.

    It's something I'll be putting in post-1.0.


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